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	<title>Comments on: Attack me&#8230;please :-)</title>
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	<description>Leslie Burns-Dell'Acqua writes on the photo business and marketing</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Giulio Sciorio</title>
		<link>http://www.burnsautoparts.com/blog/2008/03/21/attack-meplease/#comment-31184</link>
		<dc:creator>Giulio Sciorio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm giving away my photos for free. Check out www.ipimpart.com for details</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m giving away my photos for free. Check out <a href="http://www.ipimpart.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipimpart.com</a> for details</p>
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		<title>By: Martha Retallick</title>
		<link>http://www.burnsautoparts.com/blog/2008/03/21/attack-meplease/#comment-31106</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha Retallick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While free is a fine and wonderful concept, it does have its limits.

In my own case, I'm in the process of turning pro as a photographer. I'm currently devoting my time to building my digital skills (spent many years in the film world) and my portfolio. I'm also studying the business of photography.

As part of my portfolio-building effort, I have been volunteering as a photographer for various non-profit organizations. While some of the work has been quite worthwhile (in terms of building my skills and making contacts), I've also found that working for free can lead to exploitation.

So, I've decided to draw the line on what organizations I do work for and under what terms. For one thing, I've become very upfront about what I expect from the organizations in return for donating my photographic services.

I'm also avoiding the trap of photographing for free for this group, then being expected to do the same thing for five others. (Here is where the word "no" comes in handy.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While free is a fine and wonderful concept, it does have its limits.</p>
<p>In my own case, I&#8217;m in the process of turning pro as a photographer. I&#8217;m currently devoting my time to building my digital skills (spent many years in the film world) and my portfolio. I&#8217;m also studying the business of photography.</p>
<p>As part of my portfolio-building effort, I have been volunteering as a photographer for various non-profit organizations. While some of the work has been quite worthwhile (in terms of building my skills and making contacts), I&#8217;ve also found that working for free can lead to exploitation.</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;ve decided to draw the line on what organizations I do work for and under what terms. For one thing, I&#8217;ve become very upfront about what I expect from the organizations in return for donating my photographic services.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also avoiding the trap of photographing for free for this group, then being expected to do the same thing for five others. (Here is where the word &#8220;no&#8221; comes in handy.)</p>
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		<title>By: Borut Peterlin</title>
		<link>http://www.burnsautoparts.com/blog/2008/03/21/attack-meplease/#comment-31038</link>
		<dc:creator>Borut Peterlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the concept, but it has few weaknesses. It might work in huge USA, but I doubt it would  work for small markets. I live in Slovenia, which has 2 million residents and if I would give out my images for free, the biggest damage would be that people who are paying me for images would thought that  I cheat them. Sort of why do I have to pay and the rest of the folks don't pay nothing? What did I do to earn that?

My version of the same concept is that I do a lot of activities for free but it's mainly in the educational field. Like I describe in details how did I made the picture, comment other peoples blogs with intention to help, running a Festival of Photography, etc. I do give some images for free, but that's almost exclusively for educational purposes. 

There are also some huge advantages. If you give images for free, you're ruin the competition and if you're established enough to get  income on the other doors, then you kill two flies in one stroke. For example a professional can give away his images and get extra income by selling books, workshops and as in Leslie's case selling her advices. (By the way I would pay immediately for your advice, but I don't know if things would work also on this side of the planet)

If you're unestablished photographers, you probably don't have children to feed and mortgage, so you could be more aggressive. If you're good enough you'll be a strong competition. Like  Ciril Jazbec. He is only 20 years old and although he don't give away images for free, I can bet he's much much cheaper then the established farts. 
http://www.ciriljazbec.com/
http://blog.ciriljazbec.com/

Anyhow great concept and I'll apply it in my way. 
Borut</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the concept, but it has few weaknesses. It might work in huge USA, but I doubt it would  work for small markets. I live in Slovenia, which has 2 million residents and if I would give out my images for free, the biggest damage would be that people who are paying me for images would thought that  I cheat them. Sort of why do I have to pay and the rest of the folks don&#8217;t pay nothing? What did I do to earn that?</p>
<p>My version of the same concept is that I do a lot of activities for free but it&#8217;s mainly in the educational field. Like I describe in details how did I made the picture, comment other peoples blogs with intention to help, running a Festival of Photography, etc. I do give some images for free, but that&#8217;s almost exclusively for educational purposes. </p>
<p>There are also some huge advantages. If you give images for free, you&#8217;re ruin the competition and if you&#8217;re established enough to get  income on the other doors, then you kill two flies in one stroke. For example a professional can give away his images and get extra income by selling books, workshops and as in Leslie&#8217;s case selling her advices. (By the way I would pay immediately for your advice, but I don&#8217;t know if things would work also on this side of the planet)</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re unestablished photographers, you probably don&#8217;t have children to feed and mortgage, so you could be more aggressive. If you&#8217;re good enough you&#8217;ll be a strong competition. Like  Ciril Jazbec. He is only 20 years old and although he don&#8217;t give away images for free, I can bet he&#8217;s much much cheaper then the established farts.<br />
<a href="http://www.ciriljazbec.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ciriljazbec.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://blog.ciriljazbec.com/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.ciriljazbec.com/</a></p>
<p>Anyhow great concept and I&#8217;ll apply it in my way.<br />
Borut</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Pickard</title>
		<link>http://www.burnsautoparts.com/blog/2008/03/21/attack-meplease/#comment-31035</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Pickard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 06:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with the general concept of building one's fan base and doing this in part by providing free products, I think it really falls on its face when it comes to photography. 

Why?

Because the industry already suffers so much from people who

a. have no idea and are too happy (and stupid) to just give away imagery without ever realising that their photos have value to that person they are giving them to

b. are too happy to just get their photo published for free in the vain 'hope' that the nice magazine will one day pay them

c. the list goes on.

In my mind, if the photography industry was healthy in terms of people getting copyright and understanding the value of what they produce, then yeah, sure, I would be more in favour of building a fan base by providing freebies. 

Until that time - and it won't EVER change - I think building a fan base by dishing out the free stuff is just another nail in the coffin.

Buy hey, that's just my opinion. People will do what works for them, and that is all that matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with the general concept of building one&#8217;s fan base and doing this in part by providing free products, I think it really falls on its face when it comes to photography. </p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Because the industry already suffers so much from people who</p>
<p>a. have no idea and are too happy (and stupid) to just give away imagery without ever realising that their photos have value to that person they are giving them to</p>
<p>b. are too happy to just get their photo published for free in the vain &#8216;hope&#8217; that the nice magazine will one day pay them</p>
<p>c. the list goes on.</p>
<p>In my mind, if the photography industry was healthy in terms of people getting copyright and understanding the value of what they produce, then yeah, sure, I would be more in favour of building a fan base by providing freebies. </p>
<p>Until that time - and it won&#8217;t EVER change - I think building a fan base by dishing out the free stuff is just another nail in the coffin.</p>
<p>Buy hey, that&#8217;s just my opinion. People will do what works for them, and that is all that matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce DeBoer</title>
		<link>http://www.burnsautoparts.com/blog/2008/03/21/attack-meplease/#comment-31013</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce DeBoer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about coupons?  Would the gang of at EP rather give out coupons offering free family portraits with each first time editorial project?

I'm half joking of course but I'm just trying to illustrate  that Free or Loss Leaders have been effective marketing tools most likely originating in the stone age.  Naturally photographers are sensitive because ours is nearly always a buyers market.  Supply and demand is so out of whack and value often so low that Free hits a little too close to home, if you catch my meaning.

While I'm not sure I agree completely with APE, I do maintain that under the right circumstances, a photographer aggressively climbing the ladder can benefit from giving it away but only if their work is strong enough, their service unique enough or their personality electric enough so  that free can lead to profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about coupons?  Would the gang of at EP rather give out coupons offering free family portraits with each first time editorial project?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m half joking of course but I&#8217;m just trying to illustrate  that Free or Loss Leaders have been effective marketing tools most likely originating in the stone age.  Naturally photographers are sensitive because ours is nearly always a buyers market.  Supply and demand is so out of whack and value often so low that Free hits a little too close to home, if you catch my meaning.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m not sure I agree completely with APE, I do maintain that under the right circumstances, a photographer aggressively climbing the ladder can benefit from giving it away but only if their work is strong enough, their service unique enough or their personality electric enough so  that free can lead to profit.</p>
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