Comments on: ASMP and Lessig

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Wed, 26 May 2010 16:03:48 +0000

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By: info

info — Sat, 15 May 2010 00:03:43 +0000

I just watched Lessig’s presentation and it was horrifying in its propagandizing. I will be writing more on it, next week, but as I put it on FB, he makes false analogies, uses false premises, and makes false arguments that appeal to our emotions so that we, as an audience, want, desperately, to believe him. We want to, as he asks, help him. But all that emotion is just that– emotion. Not fact, not reality. He is a masterful communicator and his hero (Ronald Reagan) would be proud of how he can twist the issue to serve his desired results.

By: David Sanger

David Sanger — Fri, 14 May 2010 23:47:20 +0000

With all the changes brought about by the advent of digital media and the internet it is more important than ever that there be thoughtful and conscientious debate on the future of copyright.

As an ASMP member and fulltime working pro photographer I applaud ASMP for bringing Professor Lessig into the discussion and strongly disagree with your desire to ignore and even “silence” people you don’t agree with.

For those reader who want to see the full program the videos of the ASMP program are available online at http://vimeo.com/user3809387

Lessig’s presentation is at http://vimeo.com/11726363

Chase Jarvis http://vimeo.com/11729930

The panel discussion is at http://vimeo.com/11729708

There are major issues surrounding copyright in the digital age and the ASMP conference was a good first step in addressing them for photographers.

By: info

info — Fri, 14 May 2010 14:33:15 +0000

No Jonathan… it added NOTHING to the licensing system. All was totally available before CC. It was (and is) a sham, a fake, the emperor’s new clothes of licensing.

By: Jonathan Hartley

Jonathan Hartley — Fri, 14 May 2010 09:53:51 +0000

Surely creative commons only ADDS to the options a photographer has when they decide how they want to license their work. How is that hurting them? It’s giving them more fine-grained choices over what control to exert.

By: Dan Tobias

Dan Tobias — Thu, 13 May 2010 23:40:30 +0000

@Dabitch: The (mistaken) idea that everything on the Web is free for the taking predates Creative Commons, and wouldn’t go away if CC vanished. CC simply represents an attempt to assert some creator rights in a way that might manage to stick even within the (pre-existing) Internet mindsets about intellectual property.

I also had Kinko’s sometimes hassle me in the past about things I was copying (which I had complete rights to), in those cases generally text. I kind of resented their being “IP police” over the stuff I was publishing, and was glad when the Internet came along and made it possible to self-publish without having to prove anything to anybody.

By: Jonathan Worth

Jonathan Worth — Thu, 13 May 2010 17:17:03 +0000

I won’t repeat some of the excellent rebuttals and comments here, but I will add that I CC license my work and have only found it to empower me with it’s human English and multiplicity of flavours.

For an outstanding article on New Business Models for the Digital Economy, your readers (both for and against your post) should visit:

http://www.david-campbell.org/2010/05/13/thinking-freely/

Cheers, jw

By: Dabitch

Dabitch — Thu, 13 May 2010 15:34:14 +0000

I know many cases like Daryl Banks happening to creative friends of mine as well. Add overseas legal wrangling to it all (say, a photographer i Denmark and a newspaper in India) and it seems impossible to get things resolved without being out a lot of money.

Some of my friends have been lucky in that they are part of the photographers union in Denmark, where the union takes the legal battle for them. The flurry of battles they have had to fight for their members has caused a sharp increase in union fees however.

I agree that the current copyright law does very little to help individual creators in the united states, however the reason it does so little is because nobody respects it. When did this disrespect start? Has it always been this way? Think about it.

By: Ken Wilder

Ken Wilder — Thu, 13 May 2010 14:21:36 +0000

Thank you for stepping out and speaking up on behalf of those who depend on the protection of image copyright and licensing. Banks, grocery stores, utilities, etc., for some reason don’t like it when we approach them for a “common use” grab of their services and products. For some reason they prefer cash on a quid pro quo basis. I guess that’s why we prefer the same to license our work. CC may be a non-profit organization, but we are trying not to be, nor do we want to be driven to it.